Talking to My Dead Husband with Psychic Medium Laura Lynne Jackson

Last year, Laura Lynne Jackson changed Nora’s life forever – she helped Nora talk to Aaron ten years after his death. Today, they reunite to talk about signs, connections, and her newest book, Guided: The Secret Path to An Illuminated Life.

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Hey, Nora. I’m Nora McInerny, and this is Thanks For Asking, a call-in show about what matters to you. Last year, my friend Amanda invited me to an event in Burbank, California, for her birthday.

Amanda lives in LA, I live in Phoenix. I love any excuse to go to LA, so I said yes, and I’m sure that she told me what the event was, but in my memory, she just sent me the link. I clicked it, I bought the ticket.

I didn’t think too deeply about it. Now, Phoenix is not far from LA, so I can always find a reason to be there for fun and then tack some work on, and that is what I did. These trips are usually a mix of both.

So I had some meetings. I stayed at my friend Caroline’s house. She had just moved to Alta Dena.

At the time, this is like January 2024. And then on Friday night, I went to the Marriott Hotel by the Burbank Airport, and I walked into a Xena Warrior Princess Convention.

And I thought to myself, you know, Amanda must really be a big fan of a 1990s action fantasy show starring Lucy Lawless. And tonight, I too will be a fan of a 1990s action fantasy show starring Lucy Lawless, because that’s friendship.

You get into what your friends are getting into. I was in the wrong part of the Burbank Airport Marriott Hotel. There’s a whole other section.

And once I found that section, I also found out I was very, very, very early. That’s unusual for me. I’m usually running late.

But when I’m in LA, I leave two hours to get anywhere, because I’m so paranoid that I will run into traffic or get lost, usually a combination of the two. So I’m there. I’m early.

Finally, I’m not the only person there. Like, I’m so early, there’s not even a sign up for what I’m there for. Finally, a bunch of other women walk in.

We get to talking. I discover that we are there for the same event. I ask them what it is, and they say that it is a night of light with Laura Lynne Jackson.

And I say, cool, I still don’t know what that means. Then, you know, we continue to get to talking. That’s always going to be my recommendation, is that you get to talking with a stranger.

And we realize somehow that their cousin is married to my friend Chase, who lives in New York. I love when this happens. I love when the world shows us how small it is.

And we realize that we are connected to people who, you know, are about to, we’re about to share a night with them. We don’t even live in the same city. Somehow we know people who live in yet another city.

I just love when stuff happens like that. So I’m in a good mood. I’m excited for the night that we’re about to have.

And finally, with plenty of time, I was just tragically early, Amanda shows up, her friends show up. We go into that ballroom at the Burbank Airport Marriott Hotel and the evening begins. Laura Lynne Jackson walks out.

I still don’t know who she is, but she’s got this platinum hair, this beautiful energy.

She tells us that this room is filled with the spirits of people who love us, who are on the other side, and that, yes, she can communicate with them, but more importantly, so can we. So can we. She says we don’t need a medium.

We do not need her. We just need to be open to the signs. Now, I love signs.

I believe in signs. I am in. I’m here for the evening.

And Laura Lynne Jackson tells us that our loved ones will work with what’s easy for their energy to manipulate. So coins, metal, electronics, the radio, the lights flickering, all these things, and all things that I have also experienced.

I am not the most woo person that you’ve ever met. I’m also not the least woo person that you’ve ever met. I grew up Catholic.

There’s a lot of mysticism to that religion. St. Anthony, St.

Anthony, please return my keys to me. We pray for intercessions, all of these things. It feels real to me.

It feels right to me. And at this point in the night, I do have goosebumps. And then, this is, I think, when the night really begins.

She zeroes in. She zeroes in on a woman a few rows back. The evening really, really lights up.

I watch Laura Lynne Jackson connect with this woman, tell her that, you know, and identify, like, who she’s missing, who is in the room that would want to talk with her, say things to her, that, you know, her dead dad really wanted her to know.

I watch Laura Lynne Jackson move through the room. You know, she’s telling, she, at one point in time, she goes, oh, my God, and your baby is due in January.

And this husband and wife look at each other, and she’s like, sorry, I honestly shouldn’t have said that, but they had just found out they were pregnant. They had just found out they were pregnant, and the baby was due.

All this stuff, all this stuff was happening. It was so beautiful. It was so reassuring.

And if you are a skeptic, I’m not trying to say these things to convince you how real they are, because I really don’t care what you believe.

I am just trying to set the scene for what was the most significant spiritual experience of my life so far, because at some point, Laura Lynne Jackson turned to my side of the room, and she says, I have two dead husbands, one passed almost 10 years

ago, and one passed maybe a year ago, maybe a little bit longer, and the old woman who was sitting in front of me gasps and raises her hand. She’s sure that she is one of those women, and my friend Amanda taps me and she’s like, you.

I was like, oh, because my husband Aaron had died almost 10 years before, but I was so locked into other people’s experiences. You look at an old woman, you just think maybe your husband died 10 years ago, but no, her husband had died recently.

Mine was the one who had died almost 10 years ago. And this is where it just happens. Everything happens.

I mean, felt like I was there for a century, but also 12 seconds. I think it might have been more accurately like 12 minutes, but I talked to Aaron. I talked to my dead husband.

He was there. He was in that room. He was being who he always was when he was alive.

He was the life of that party, and he was bringing up other people who were like other spirits, other souls who were like maybe a little bit too shy or like might not have gotten their turn. He was like, get up here, including my dad. Okay?

Including my dad, who when he was alive would have been like, oh, for the love of Pete and Nora, come on, come on. But I’m telling you, when my dad came through, and I’ll get to that in a minute, I was like, okay, Steve, okay, Steve.

I got to ask questions that I didn’t even know I had. I got answers I did not know I needed. I got answers that reaffirmed the things that I’ve always known to be true to me spiritually.

I felt like I was hearing what I knew on a soul level, and it just felt so normal. It felt so natural, and it felt so real. And I believe that it was.

You know, I’ve always had this feeling. I lost a pregnancy right before Aaron died, right before my dad died. It was like October 3rd, pregnancy.

October 8th, my dad. November 25th, Aaron. And Aaron told me that that baby that we lost was never meant for this world, but was meant for him on the other side.

And I have felt that before. I have thought that before. I have always felt like Aaron guided me to Matthew.

There’s so many strange little coincidences. The way that I met Matthew, which I would have no reason in a million years to have met Matthew.

The way that Matthew and Aaron had so many connections to each other, even though they hadn’t met, that they were in a lot of like the same rooms at a lot of the same shows that I wasn’t at.

Aaron told me that he knows that he’s a part of this family, that he knows and loves all of us, you know? That felt really beautiful to me. That felt really important to me.

And to know that, you know, he feels that way too. There was more too. My youngest son’s full name got said out loud.

I’ve never published out loud or said out loud in public because Aaron, this is when Aaron had pulled my dad up and my dad, notorious snob, wanted to know if I understood like the literary reference to this kid’s name. Yeah, I do, dad. I do.

I understand it. I understand it just because I don’t like James Joyce doesn’t mean that I didn’t know what I was doing when I named my kid. Thank you.

I’m not stupid. This same kid who I have with my current husband, Matthew, who shares no DNA with Aaron, is also a child who reminds me a lot of Aaron because Aaron does know him. Aaron has always known him.

He knew this kid’s soul before this kid was born. I really have always known that. I’ve always believed that.

I have a hard time saying all this stuff out loud or talking about it without crying because it was so beautiful and it’s almost like when you wake up from a dream and you go to write it down or you go to explain it to somebody and you’re like, no,

you don’t get it. The subway system from New York City was in the Southdale Mall and I needed to get on that subway to take my kid to swimming lessons. I don’t know.

This isn’t making a lot of sense now, but trust me in the moment, that was a big thing. That was a big thing and I really needed to get on that subway in the Southdale Mall. But it was such a beautiful experience.

It was such a meaningful experience. And there are very few moments in my life where I felt this kind of connection, this kind of clarity, this kind of connection, not just to this world, but to the next and to a bigger design.

And one of those moments is my father’s death, which I felt before I knew it. I was in bed with Aaron. He was on hospice.

And I just felt this, like, from the top of my head down, I just felt like… Like, and I truly felt peace. I felt like it is going to be okay.

I knew that my dad was dead, but I also knew he wasn’t gone. Like, I knew that he was here, that there was just something so eternal that was like a different level of access that I had to him. And then my phone rang and it was my brother.

And the other moment that I felt like this kind of deep connection and clarity was Aaron’s death, when I heard that last breath and, you know, held him. And it was just so much peace. It was so much clarity.

It felt like everything in the world, everything. I mean, everything beyond this world, just the entire universe. Like, I understood.

I understood the meaning of life briefly. Briefly, you can only understand these things briefly. I understood my place in the universe.

Again, briefly, that keyhole slammed shut. You know, probably a few minutes later, like, I knew that Aaron was just as present, even if his life here was over. And then there was this night at the Burbank Airport Marriott with Laura Lynne Jackson.

And the next day, I wake up. I’m in my friend Caroline’s house in Alta Dena. I walk down to a coffee shop.

I open the door and the music changes. You know, it’s that they got music playing. It’s time for the song to change.

I pause because the song has changed to a song that you very rarely hear when you are out and about in the year 2024. And that’s because it is a Mayer Hawthorne song from 2009. I mean, he wasn’t that big in 2009.

This song comes on. That was my first date with Aaron was going to see Mayer Hawthorne. So I’m like, OK, hey, Aaron, you’re still here.

I feel it. I love this. Let’s go and get my coffee.

I walk back. I get a text from my friend, Chase. That’s the friend whose cousin’s in law.

I’d met the night before. They had gotten in touch with him. They told him everything that had happened the night before.

But he was texting me because he was discussing this with a friend at brunch in New York. That friend he’s having brunch with is Caroline in LA, her best friend from high school. Like, Caroline doesn’t know Chase.

I don’t know Caroline’s friends from high school. Like, just, ooh, okay. So then I get back to Caroline’s house.

I have to call Matthew. I have to FaceTime Matthew, my current husband, tell him everything that happened the last night. I give him the full download.

I’m just, there’s more, there’s more. I’m telling him. He’s like, mm-hm, mm-hm, mm-hm.

He’s like, this is so great. I get to the part about our son, Q, and how Aaron knew Q before he was born. And what you have to know about Q is that he is a troll.

You tell him this guy is blue, and he’ll say, no, it’s actually pink. And now that I say that out loud, it’s probably because he is kind of profoundly colorblind. But the point is, he’s a contrarian.

Anything you say, if you say, oh, yeah, you love this cereal, he’ll say, no, I don’t. He’s like a little gaslighter. Okay, I’m really, I should probably fix that before he turns into an adult man.

But Q is eating breakfast. Apparently, he’s overhearing all this. He, like, pops into the frame, and he goes, that’s true.

That’s true, I know Aaron, I’ve always known Aaron. And then goes back to eating his breakfast. No jokes, no BS.

He just says, yep, and moves on with it. By this point, you better be doing your Christmas shopping, and I’m going to tell you right now that you have to go over to cozy earth.

Trust me. Now, I know I’m not the only person with a story or 100 stories like this. I know that signs are important to a lot of us.

I know that these connections are important to a lot of us. We have heard a lot of your signs, a lot of your stories. We have a few podcast episodes that are related to this.

One is Signs From The Other Side. That is available. I think wherever you get your podcasts, you can get it ad free on our Substack.

It’s noraborialist.substack.com. Could I have named it something else? Sure, but give me a break.

The other one is called Grief and Magical Thinking. I will link both of those in the episode description along with some of our relevant YouTube videos. So this episode is very special to me because we’re talking to Laura Lynne Jackson.

We are talking to Laura Lynne Jackson today. She has a new book that is coming out, 11.11. I love a woman who understands the assignment and stays on theme.

It is called Guided, The Secret Path to An Illuminated Life. And Laura Lynne Jackson and I are going to talk about signs. We’re going to talk about guides.

We’re going to talk about the interconnectedness of all things right now. Okay, tell me what is, to you, what is a guided, illuminated life?

So, for me, one truth that I know that exists for not just myself but all of us is that we have this beautiful team of light on the other side guiding us every moment we’re here on what I call Earth School.

And that team of light can sense us of three parts. It’s God energy, which I see as this force of just love and goodness that is part of us, inherent in us, and guides us to our highest path. And then the next part might sound a little woo-woo.

We all have what I call spirit guides. Throughout time and history, different religions have referred to this kind of angelic beings as guardian angels. I just call them spirit guides, and they’re nobody we knew this lifetime.

They’re just very advanced spiritual beings who our souls contracted with before we came here to our school to be our teachers and our mentors. And we have been in communication and guided by them since we arrived here.

Some people have an awareness, some people don’t. And then the third part of our team of light is anybody we loved who’s crossed to the other side, family members, pets, ancestors, friends, you name it.

We have this beautiful team of light accessible to ourselves at all times to guide us on our paths and our journeys here. So living an illuminated life is about surrendering to that truth.

It’s about getting over the fear and the doubt of being able to connect and be in conversation with and communication with those we love who have crossed.

It’s trusting that we are all more beloved than we can even fathom, that we are surrounded by angels, that we are connected inherently to this God, this force of love, and that if we are here on earth, we matter.

And we matter not just to our own journeys, but to everybody else’s as well, because we are always affecting and influencing each other. We’re all part of this great fabric of life.

And I think living an illuminated life is knowing that deep within and trusting it.

Even when we go through our own dark places, right, our own dark phases, or we’re trying to navigate stuff in our lives that maybe isn’t going the way we want it, it’s trusting that no matter what, there is a path there that we’re being guided to,

You mentioned, you know, okay, this sounds a little woo-woo, but there are so many faith traditions.

I grew up Catholic that this parallels or resonates within has like a lot of connections to.

I went to bed at night saying, you know, three prayers, the Our Father, the Hail Mary, and then, Angel of God, my guardian dear, to whom God’s love commits me here, ever this day be at my side, to light, to love, to rule, to guide, amen.

I could, like, it like sort of runs in my head.

And I, you know, I myself was raised by a man who would have called himself, you know, not Wu, you know, a very, very Catholic man who also on his deathbed was saying things like, we never leave one another.

You know, it was really like, you know, conveying that idea that he will be gone someday, but he also won’t be gone.

And so there are elements of what you describe as like a guided, illuminated life that some people might hear, right, and be like, oh gosh, team of light.

But all the things that you’re describing are things that I have felt throughout my life and learned about, you know, in being a cradle Catholic, kindergarten through college, saying like, yes, God is in all of us. Goodness is in all of us.

There are, you know, we live in commune, within a communion of saints, the people who have gone before us, people that we’ve never met. St. Anthony, St.

Anthony, please return my keys to me. You know, like, there’s just a lot. Yeah, it works.

It works, and I just, I feel like I have to say that for the versions of me and other listeners who would be like, I mean, come on, right? Because these are ideas and thoughts that belong to, you know, a host of traditions.

And I really loved what you described as our lives mattering, not just to ourselves, but to other people.

And I’m going to do something to you that I would hate if somebody did to me, but I’m going to read your words back to you because part of what grabbed me about this book was in the introduction, which a lot of people, I’ve heard this, Laura Lynne,

I’ve heard a lot of people say they don’t even read a book’s introduction, and to that I say, what are you even doing? You’ve got to read a book front to back. There are rules. We live in a society.

Yeah, I think people don’t realize the book actually starts there.

They just think like, oh, I could skip that. It’s really chapter one, but the truth is it really starts at the introduction.

It starts at the introduction, or we wouldn’t write them, okay? Okay. Okay.

So you wrote, Sometimes it’s hard for us to comprehend just how connected we are to one another. We cannot imagine how powerful our choices are in the context of our collective being.

We ask ourselves, how can any one person possibly make a difference against all the anger and neglect and injustice of the world? Every small positive action we take, every tiny bit of kindness that we put out into the world has a ripple effect.

We can’t possibly know how far that ripple will reach. And that is something that I truly believe and have experienced.

Yes, 100%. It really is true.

Yeah, and I think especially, you wrote that, and this book is being published in a time in history where people are extremely anxious and with good reason, extremely fatigued and with good reason, and a lot of people are feeling incredibly helpless

Yeah, it is a challenging time.

And I think that, you know, I feel very divinely guided with all my writing and with the timing of how everything unfolds. And I think it’s really important for each and every one of us to remember that if we’re here on earth, we are not powerless.

We may feel that we are, but we’re not. And sometimes these small actions we take can have this really reaching powerful effect that we might not even be aware of while we’re still here.

We might need to cross one day, do our life review, and then recognize the profound and powerful impact, a decision or a choice or an action we did had into the world around us and how it affected others.

You know, I think thoughts are really, really powerful. They’re energy, and energy leads to new things.

And I think that we owe it to ourselves to be trusting of our own innate light and goodness, and trusting that we’re connected to something so much greater than just ourselves, and kind of surrendering to that knowing and asking to be used as a

vehicle of love and healing in the world, however we can best be used, and then just showing up. I think that’s the most powerful thing we can all do, because I know we’re going through some very dark times, but what my team of light has shown me is

that there is such great light in the darkness, kind of like when you look out at a dark night sky and you see all these stars, right? I think we’re in a time of really powerful transformation, where we’re learning collectively this really deep and

profound lesson in love, and we’re learning to let go of fear and focus more on love, but that’s a hard process. It’s a hard process for us each individually, and then collectively, we’re only as strong as our weakest link.

So, I think that on a day-to-day basis, each and every one of us sometimes are angels for each other, and we’re none the wiser for it, and yet maybe it’s something we say. Maybe it’s an action we do.

Maybe it’s just as simple as feeling like we want to smile at a stranger and where that ripple effect leads.

I think trusting in each of our own light and trusting in the truth that we are connected to something so much greater than ourselves, that we are part of that, and calling upon that for guidance, and then trusting in the guidance we get, whether

that’s knowing that we suddenly have or we hear a thought come to us that guides us in some way, or we get a sign that we’ve asked for that we’ve said, send me this if I’m meant to do that. There’s language going on all around us that once we tap

into and become aware of, we can use as a tool to make our own lives more powerful, meaningful, and brighter, but also shift and change the lives around us as well. We might not get to see it all, but just trusting in it, I think, makes such a

I agree, and I think if you’ve ever been having kind of an okay day, teetering on a bad day, and then somebody swerves into your lane, gives you the finger, guns their engine, and runs a red light that you don’t make it through, you understand that

small actions can ripple and ruin your day. If you are in one of those dark times that you mentioned where it just seems like nothing in your life is going right, you wrote about this in your book too.

There are times of deep loss, deep trauma that all of us experience where it really does feel like things are hopeless, and then somebody shows up with a flashlight that you weren’t expecting.

Somebody offers you a kindness that you weren’t expecting. You know the effects that one person and one action can have, but I do think that it’s easy for us to forget that.

To me, even just reading the title of this book, I’m like, oh yes, to keep the light on is so important, and to remember that it’s very seldom, in my experience, that we actually see the full path that we’re walking.

If you’re me and you cheated at the Girl Scout unit where you had to learn orienteering, and you somehow will take three wrong turns even when Google Maps is on the screen in your car, you never really see the path.

You just somehow end up somewhere and are like, oh, huh, how did I get here? And I’m wondering for you, like, how did you get here? How did you discover that you have the gifts that you have?

You know, it was definitely a long and a winding path.

You know, there’s no manual, and I didn’t have any teachers. But I remember being a little bit, you know, kind of different as a kid, but not really realizing I was different. I would see people in colors.

I would feel what other people were feeling. I just thought that’s how the world worked. I was like, oh, this is how, you know, this is how things are.

But when I was 11, I had this sudden, like, deep knowing, what’s called, like, a claircognizant knowing in every ounce of my being that I needed to go see my grandfather. It was like a hot summer August day, like, two weeks before school started.

I was 11 years old swimming in my pool, and my mother called out to tell me she was going to visit my grandparents. And I was just seized by this knowing I needed to go be with him. And I called out, you have to wait for me, you have to wait for me.

And she did. You know, she was like, it’s summer, you have two weeks left, you really want to come on this hour-long ride and spend the day? Okay.

But she waited. And I went, my other two siblings stayed in the pool, and I went and I spent the day with my grandfather. That sense of, like, panic and knowing didn’t subside until I was with him.

And we just had the greatest day together, and we laughed, and we just, like, told stories. And it was just really just beautiful. He was such a force of love throughout my childhood, and I was so very close with him.

And when it was time to leave, I remember hugging him and saying goodbye. And that was the last time I ever saw him alive, because three days later, he went and got to the doctor, and they sent him straight to the hospital.

He got diagnosed with leukemia. It was very advanced. Back then, you couldn’t go visit an adult if you were less than 16, so none of us could go visit him.

And he crossed in the hospital within two weeks. And I remember feeling really haunted and dark because I had known when I thought about it why I needed to go see him.

And I pretty quickly thereafter confessed to my mother, and this is where the story gets interesting. Because I think had my mother said to me…

I’m sorry, this is where the story gets interesting.

Well, yeah, well, what did I reflect on? Because I think we’re all guided into what we’re here for, right? And this was a long journey for me, but I think there was this pivotal moment, right, where I confessed to my mom in the kitchen.

I was like, Mom, I think something’s really wrong with me. I think like I’m dark or like broken, or like destructive, or haunted, because I knew pop-up was going to die.

And she paused for a moment, she said to me, Laura, no part of you is dark or broken or haunted. She said, that’s just an extra ability you have to understand things and sense what was going to happen.

And then she confessed that it had run on her side of the family for generations, right? My grandmother would know when people were going to cross, my aunt would know like all these things.

And then I felt less alone, I felt like, okay, I’m part of this club, but I just didn’t know that I wanted membership in that club. And I also didn’t know what I was supposed to do with it, right?

So it took me, I would love to say like right then and there, I embraced it. You know, my mother was certainly pivotal because she was so loving and so supportive that she kept me to stay open to it.

Because when she was growing up, it was not talked about. Like you were, you know, the phone rang when my aunt was like about ten years old. And it was like relatives from Germany calling.

There was no like caller ID then, right? So the phone rings, my aunt says, it’s your relatives from Germany saying like that uncle so and so died. And my grandmother was one of like ten kids.

My mom and her sister didn’t know like all their aunts and uncles. My grandmother picked up the phone and it was relatives from Germany calling to say that uncle had just had this heart attack and died.

And she slapped my aunt across the face and they never talked about it again. And so it was known like we have this thing but we don’t talk about it and there’s something not good about it and you know it’s something to be ashamed of.

So I think my mother giving me permission to see it not as something to be ashamed of right but just a part of myself that had to do with love and connection gave me permission to explore it.

And granted I didn’t know exactly what to do with it so I kind of use it in a fun way to know things about people sometimes and like know which guys to date and like you almost like yeah I go to bars I’d be like hey you have a dad on the other side

this is his name you have a seven-year-old brother like I know these things and they’d be like are you a stalker I’m like no I’m just psychic but it wasn’t until I really understood that it was meant to be used to help others feel connected and heal

that I really understood the beauty of it but I also very deeply understood the truth of it whereas I might be a little bit more inclined to be in tune with that or it might be louder or more pronounced for me but that this connection, this beautiful

connection of love and guidance was there for all of us. I think that it’s such a taboo subject in the world at least 40 or so years ago as I began this process from Angel Levinon that we don’t talk about it. I think we should be talking about it

because I think it’s beautiful, it’s not scary, it’s lovely. And so I quickly began to understand like, I meant to use this to help people heal and feel connected, but I also knew that I was here to just teach them how to do that within themselves.

Nobody needs a psychic medium anyway, right? We all have these abilities, we all have this incredible gift within ourselves. We’ve just been taught to be distanced from it. I think formal schooling is the reason.

I worked a lot with scientists who have mapped my brain when I’m in normal talking mode versus reading mode. And when I’m in normal talking mode, my brain looks mostly like everybody else’s.

98% of the brainwave activity takes place in this frontal lobe. And that frontal lobe is in charge of analytical thinking, critical thinking, math, language skills, all of that.

But the minute I go into psychic or mediumship mode, and psychic means I’m just reading someone’s energy field, their aura, their past, their present, their future. I might see connections to people in the here and now.

And mediumship means I’m connecting with consciousness, who’s no longer in a physical body. And for me, it’s very divided. I see it on a screen in my mind, and so the psychic goes to the left and the mediumship to the right.

Anyway, when I go into one or two of those modes, my brain waves completely change, and it looks like I’m in a coma. Like the frontal lobe silences, it’s quiet. It looks like I’m not conscious, and all different parts light up.

And the reason I’m telling you this is because I think when we all come here to Earth school and we’re young, we don’t really have language yet. We haven’t started formal schooling yet. We’re using all different parts of our brain.

We’re learning and communicating through this language of love and energy. And we’re so connected to all people and our caregivers and all of that. And then we start formal schooling.

So here in the United States, kindergarten, first grade, second grade, by that time, we’ve retrained all our brain wave activity so that it’s only in the frontal lobe. And we’ve distanced ourselves from all that beautiful knowing and connection.

And we’re taught, oh, no, no, no, no, no. We’re living in this materialistic paradigm of a world. You can’t see it and touch it.

It doesn’t exist. And you can’t trust what you’re getting. And you, you of course can’t be connected and da, da, da.

So I think we’re retrained to not only shift out of that part of our connection, but to not trust it and also be fearful of it. And so I think it’s just a matter of re-embracing that, truly.

You know, one of my greatest goals here is just to mainstream conversations about this. And so often, especially when my first book came out, The Light Between Us, people would stay and they’d want to talk to me.

And they’d say this to me, I’ve never told anyone this story before, but I’m going to tell you. And they would tell me the most beautiful, loving stories of like connection, or guidance from the other side, or a dream visitation.

And they didn’t tell other people because they were afraid of being laughed at and dismissed. And that really hurt my heart. And I would say to them, this is such a beautiful story.

Please go tell other people about it. Because here’s what happens, when we tell other people our stories about signs or connection or the guidance we’ve got, and nobody laughs. They’re like, that’s beautiful.

Can I tell you mine?

Exactly. Yes, yes, I, what you’re talking about with smaller children and being younger, I do believe that like the veil is very thin for kids. I shouldn’t have worn eye makeup.

I knew I was going to cry. But when Aaron was dying, and it was the day that he ended up dying, and Ralph went to daycare literally right next door.

And thank God for that, because when I was like in just, like the autopilot part of Grief, I was like, oh man, I got to bring you to daycare, open the door. Like, there you go. Like, Susie’s got you now.

But it was the day that Aaron ended up dying, and I was going to bring Ralph over to daycare. It was so quiet in the house. I just said, it’s just going to be us for a while.

Like, it was just the three of us. Then it was just Aaron and I. And Ralph, like, went up, got into bed with him, with his dad, and said, okay, all done now.

Goodbye. And like, kissed him and just left the room. And I was, I just knew it was going to be that day.

You know, I, just something about it. It just like, I absolutely knew. And even after that, after Aaron died, I would find Ralph, you know, in the living room and he’d be talking and say, who are you talking to?

And he’d say, Papa. Or one time he was under the table and looking into our living room where Aaron used to sit on the couch and he goes, Papa, stood up and hit his head. And it was so sad.

He’s like, he would go out in the backyard and be talking and he would say, oh, my Papa’s this guy, my Papa’s the grass. Like all these things that, you know, I hadn’t talked, he’s 22 months old.

You know, I didn’t talk to him about like, what’s next?

You know, I was like, you know, Googling like, how to tell toddler dad is dead, you know, like, and it’s like, so I do think, I do think that there is that, that knowing inside of us that, that we are eternal, that there is something eternal about us

and about love and about, you know, that energy. Like I, I really do. And I think, I think everybody does know that. Like you mentioned, when you tell somebody a story like this, they say like, absolutely.

I know, I know what you’re talking about. And it’s, it’s, when you, when you remember that and let yourself, like, renew that belief, or even just like remember that belief, like the world is a less lonely place. It is a less scary place.

And I had that feeling yesterday, like went outside to reread this book and, you know, was thinking about like the ways that I’m stressed.

And, you know, I got to like the end of the book where I was like, you have to remember, like you have to keep the light on, like you have to, you have to, you know, ask for things, you have to like stay, keep that conversation open.

And I just talked to my dead dad and I talked to Aaron and I like truly just felt like, like, just like this, this like calming, calming presence.

And when, when the world does feel like so big and so scary and so chaotic and so sort of like meaningless, I do think that these are the connections that give us meaning and remind us like that there is meaning. There’s meaning to us being here.

Like it’s not just to me, it just can’t be like, it can’t be like this is it. Like, you know, like this is it. This is all you get.

Like there is something that is so, so eternal. As you’re discovering this about yourself and really realizing what your purpose is in life, like you have this wonderful mother who’s like so supportive.

What kind of like, you know, religious or like faith system did you grow up with? And how does this gift fit into that belief system?

I’ve always felt very, very connected to God. And that has never changed for me. My first version and vision of God that I was raised with, I was raised Lutheran.

And so my first vision of God was a white man in a white robe, you know, with white hair, who was very learning. And, you know, Jesus, who would have a long brown hair and a lamb. And so that was super comforting to me.

And I think it’s very, very beautiful and very valid. But I think as I got older, too, I began to understand, like, oh, this is my starting point to understand God, right? And this is completely valid and beautiful.

But it felt even larger than that to me. It was almost like God is this force of love that is inherent in us. And we couldn’t be distanced from if we wanted to.

We are of God. And if we trust in that and really, like, you know, I love how you keep saying, like, turn the light on. Like, you know, those, like, dial switches of, like, dimmer lights and super bright?

Like, I think we need to turn that brightness up in us and trust that. Because, again, thoughts matter.

So if we’re having this deep knowing on a soul level, like, we are of God and we are more connected to each other than we can imagine, then we’re constantly rejecting it with our thoughts. It’s like turning that dial to as dim as it can go.

So I think overcoming the fear of, like, our own abilities and the fact that this materialistic paradigm of a world has been blown to smithereens, like that ideology, like decades and decades ago by scientists, nobody’s talking about it, but it’s,

it’s, there’s so much more than what we can see, right? When we begin to trust in that, we heal that relationship with ourselves.

Because I think when we reject that truth, that knowing that we’re in this constant state of connection with this like team of light on the other side, with God, with angels who guide us, with our loved ones who are still present, even though they’ve

crossed and guiding us, right? When we reject all of that, we’ve distanced ourselves from our own light, right? And I think the most sacred relationship we ever have here is the one with ourselves.

So we need to be super truthful and we need to honor all the parts of ourselves. And I always feel like we need to get our spiritual self on. So I was certainly led into an understanding of God through being Lutheran.

I think there’s beauty in so many religions. It’s like understanding God and that God is this force of love that’s part of us. It’s like, if you wanted to drive to the store, you might drive in a sports car.

I might drive in an SUV. Somebody else might take a bicycle. It’s all different vehicles to get to the same place.

And I think the same place is about love. And if you’re ever having a question, like, how should I act? Just try to figure out which of the two paths you’re going to take.

Is it fear or love? Fear can sometimes be disguised as love, but fear is like, what is going to take away from me? What if X, Y, or Z doesn’t happen?

And love is just trusting that guidance. It’s a peace. It doesn’t come with a lot of chaos or anxiety.

It’s just like, what is the most loving thing to do here? And so I think that my connection with God is, you know, and my team of light in general, is present daily.

You know, my mantra is, ask is to use me as a force of love and guidance in this world however I can best be used.

And I love that you shared your childhood prayer because mine before going to bed every night was, now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep, and in the morning light I wake, show me the path of love to take.

And then I think, oh, I’d list everybody in my life and anybody I could think of. But I think I still awake with that same sense of show me the path of love to take. I think that’s the highest path we can all take here.

And this is where I feel like our teams of light are always rooting for us, always trying to help us find that highest path.

You look, sometimes things get confusing and dark here, and we might struggle with our own decisions, or we might struggle feeling really overwhelmed by the darkness in the world.

You know, my team of light told me a while ago, like, when things feel the darkness, tend your own garden of light.

And what they meant by that was, look for ways in your own small little life, that particular day or that particular time, where you can do something kind or be of service to others or like feel that pull to goodness or love.

And I really do trust that, because I think that the universe is sending us invitations all the time to play certain roles for each other, to be the light for others, or sometimes to be the catalyst for others’ growth or our own growth or who knows.

It’s just, I think trust is really inherent, right? And so you can call that faith too. You know, in religion, we talk about having faith in things and having faith in a higher plan that we can’t always see.

And that’s a truth for me, absolutely.

And I’ve seen it play out in life too, where, you know, in my own life, maybe I’ve had to have this kind of trust and this faith in a way that maybe I wanted one thing, it didn’t turn out that way, but later on down the road, I’m like, oh my gosh,

the universe God was dreaming bigger for me. My team of light was guiding me on a path I couldn’t even see at the time. Or I might go through something difficult and later on I might say like, wow, I really understand the soul test I was mastering.

And I’m so grateful for it. And I feel so much more, more evolved because of it, or I feel so much more empathetic to others because of it. So I think there’s always a path and always a purpose, even when we can’t see it.

It’s easy to trust when things are going your way, and the way that you want them to, it’s much harder when they aren’t, and trust also requires patience.

And I was having this conversation with my daughter, who is 19 and very, very driven, and I told her that I understand her tendency, because I have it too, that when one door closes, she wants to bust down the wall like the Kool-Aid man.

I love that.

I’m like, sometimes you just have to be where you are.

And it doesn’t mean, just because you can’t see yourself moving forward, just because you can’t see progress, doesn’t mean it’s not happening, but it’s not a lily pad board game that you’re playing where you’re always rolling a dice and moving

forward or backwards. It’s bigger than what you can possibly see right now. And someday you won’t be 19 and you will be able to see it. And I think that is the hardest thing about being alive, is only having the vision that we have, which is like…

It’s so myopic, right?

And we’re only looking at the materialistic things we’re not understanding. I think this is why when I read for people, I’ll see soul cycles or I’ll see like what’s good. I’ll see timelines.

They get my guides and their team alike get really specific. And I’ll be like, oh, you’re in this certain soul cycle right now because maybe you’re mastering a lesson or you’re somebody else’s lesson.

But in like, you know, a year, it’s going to shift and then at 18 months, this is going to come in. Like there’s divine timing and everything.

And so specifically, I think when we might hit a disappointment or like, as you say, the door closes and we want to break down the wall. When we’re having that moment, we need to understand that we are still being guided.

We are being profoundly guided in those moments to something greater that we can’t see. And I think there’s a huge choice we have to make because I think we’re always like a three way triangle at all times, right?

We’re spiritual light energy, stuffed in these physical bodies never feels fully comfortable. But the third part of that is our free will. And that’s our thoughts.

So we have these moments where like door slams, we’re really being rerouted or reguided to something greater about the invitation we have in our little monkey minds is to get angry and to choose the path of fear. Like, oh my gosh, that didn’t happen.

What if it never happens now? What if I end up this way? Rather than saying this, okay, I don’t understand it.

There’s something bigger that’s going on that I can’t see. And it’s frustrating me. I don’t like that.

It’s making me feel powerless. But I’m going to choose that path of love. And I’m going to choose that whatever happens to me is happening for me and that I am being guided.

I don’t understand it. And I’m a little annoyed about it, but I’m being guided. So I’m going to surrender to that.

That’s where I feel like surrender comes in. And it’s hard to do. But if you can find that place where you’re just like, okay, it’s out of my hands.

I’m surrendering it. I’m going to just trust and surrender it. That’s when the magic happens.

It really does.

Yeah. You wrote a lot in the book about how hindsight is 2020. And I really was glad that you addressed in the book, the people who will be reading this who are just in it.

And I get messages like this every day. I know you do too, where people are like, everything is terrible right now. I’m going through this crisis.

I do not see a way out. Please tell me that there’s a plan. Please tell me that there’s something else.

And I don’t have the gifts that you have. And I can always tell them, like, there is something else. I can’t, it’s not, it’s, you’re not trading one for the other.

It’s not going to feel like a fair exchange necessarily. You might not, you know, it is okay to, you know, miss what you had and learn to love what you have. Like, there is, all I know, I just always know that there is more.

I’m wondering, like, in your life, when those moments were for you, where you looked at, like, your situation and were like, what the is happening? This is not it. Like, this is not it.

Oh, there’s so many.

Which one should I choose? You know, it’s so funny, because sometimes when I’m going through that, I’m always in a state of, like, straddling two worlds, right? I’m always here in my physical body, but I’m always connected to the other side.

I kind of tune in and ask my guides on my team, like, hey, what’s going on? Can you give me any information? I’m very aware that there seems to be rules.

Like, there are sometimes, like, we have to take these pop quizzes, or maybe we’re growing our soul in a certain way, or we’re not meant to know the answer.

There have been times where my guides have been like, sorry, all we can give you is this, and we’re not allowed to tell you any more right now. And I’ll be like, what?

And then, like, months will go by and they’ll be like, come on, I’m a little more information. There is some timing to it, right? So, but here’s just one example, and this is a pretty big one for me.

It was leaving teaching to come out of the psychic medium closet to do this.

You know, for years, I volunteered for this organization called Forever Family Foundation, and I just did it from, like, my middle name, because my husband, who’s an attorney, he’s like, you can’t be doing this and teaching at the same time.

And I love teaching high school English. I was, like, so passionate about it. Like, I know I’m here as a teacher, right?

He’s like, you can’t get caught. You’ll get fired. You got to do this in secret.

So I was, and then, you know, I tell the story of my first book. Like, someone at school found out I was doing this volunteer, you know, psychic mediumship reading for people in grief and got tickets to it and were like, is this you?

And my husband’s like, you got to go tell your principal. You got to go do that, which I did.

Don’t send me to the principal. Come on.

Yeah. And then I was like, then it all came out. But my principal was like, who’s around me?

And spoke to the superintendent and everything went great. So they were like, carry on. So I was straddling these two worlds.

And then one day I go to Hall Dude and I get this download. And the download was like a seven-hour conversation with the universe, with my team of light, right? But it happened in a millisecond.

And they’re like, you’re going to be writing this book. You’re going to be doing speaking engagements. You’re going to, it’s going to be on TV.

And I was like, so I came home. And by that time, you know, my husband knew me well enough. I was like, guess what?

I’m going to be writing a book. I’m going to be doing this. He’s like, great.

How are you doing that in the midst of raising the children and working full time? And I’m like, I don’t know. It’s going to work out.

And within 24 hours, everything started coming together. Like I had someone offer to be my agent, like crazy stuff that never happens, right? Yeah.

And so I wrote this book and I took a leave of absence from teaching. And they were like, okay, you need to let us know when you’re coming back.

Only the problem was the minute I hit send to my editor on my first book, I got an entire download for the second book, which is Signs, like, like that. And I thought, oh my, oh my gosh. Like, I said to the other side, you have to give me a year off.

Like, I got to do this first. So after a year, my agent said to me, like, okay, do the outline. So I sat down between 11 p.m.

one night and 1 a.m. I just re-downloaded the whole thing. The book was all outlined in time.

And so I asked work, my high school English teaching job, for another year off. And they’re like, no, no, you have to come back or resign. And I had no idea what to do.

And I said to my team of light, like, can you, can you show me? And they were like, no, no, you have to figure this out. Like it was like silence.

Like, you know, if you were like in a room and there was a mirror and you saw everybody, but there was no talking, right? And my husband, I really like struggle with it, you know, because I love teaching so much.

And I remember waking up one morning, mid July, and I don’t know what had gone on in my dreams or in the nighttime, but I woke up with absolute clarity, where I absolutely knew I was committing fully to this path and I was leaving teaching.

And I wrote to my school district that day. And I remember, like, I should have been frightened, but I wasn’t. It was a piece.

And this is what I’m saying, like, when you trust in your knowings and you navigate your things, like, there’s a piece, you know, there’s a piece.

But there’s, you know, there are other things, like, in life, especially, like, things your kids go through or things that are hard that you want to fix that you can’t, that you’re like, okay, let me try and understand what the bigger picture here is

or what the lessons are or how they’re meant to navigate it. So I think it’s a challenge for all of us. Psychic mediums are not exempt. Practicing professional psychic mediums are not exempt, which, by the way, Nora, you also have what I have.

We all do. So before, when you’re like, I don’t have what you have, yes, you do. We all have this ability.

Which, actually, that was my, as soon as you walked out in, you know, and I love saying the Burbank Airport Marriott because it’s like to have the most profound spiritual experience of your life in a Burbank Airport Marriott is-

But that tracks.

I feel like that’s what the other-

It tracks.

You’re not going to put you in the Four Seasons with some fancy drink.

No, no, no.

You’re going to be at the Burbank Airport when there’s a Shira Convention going on next door. And, you know, that’s how it’s going to be. And poor lighting.

And it was, it was the overhead lighting, the overhead lighting in these hotels cannot be beat.

It can’t be improved upon. They were like, we want everyone looking green and we want everyone looking like a green potato specifically. But I love that.

I love that you came out and you were like, guess what? You actually don’t need me. Everything, you know, everything that you want, like you can access, like you have this ability and you brought up dreams.

And I have experienced in my life the difference between like, oh, that was just a weird dream where like your brain is just sort of cleaning out the junk drawer. And you’re like, yeah, I’m just, you know, catching the train at the Seltdale Mall.

Well, which doesn’t exist for my Minnesota listeners. They know, you know, and I opened a portal through my my grade school bedroom, and I got to catch up with my ex-boyfriend’s mom.

You know, like, I know, I know the difference between that and like the dreams that I’ve had where I wake up just like knowing something. And it is so incredible. And I really do.

It almost feels like something that I can’t ask for, something that I can’t chase, but something that like happens to me when I most need it. Yeah. And like, there’s like, I don’t, you’ve studied this stuff too.

Like, you don’t just like live it like you’ve, you know, studied this. Like, our brains do wild stuff while we’re asleep.

Yeah. So the only time that most people’s brains go offline the way that mine do when I read is every night when you sleep. It’s this beautiful opportunity.

And I think it’s really important to set the intention with our teams of light, like, please guide me, because it’s not just resting our body, like, our soul, our spirit is connecting to that place that’s our true home.

And there’s a reason people say, like, let me sleep on it.

I write in Guided about dreams that people have had throughout history, like the fact that artists and musicians have, like, woken up with music in their mind, songs that are beautiful, or the fact that insulin was discovered through a dream that the

scientists had. Like, it’s profound and it’s powerful and it’s beautiful. And we’re not talking about this in mainstream, and we should, because the truth is, there’s unseen energy and guidance all around us.

And can you imagine how magical the world would be if we all trust that, open to it, tune in to it? Like, what incredible advances we would make scientifically, what incredible works of art would be created?

And we just need to trust it more and open to it more.

Yeah. I think there’s a story in your book of another writer named Sarah Lewis, and she has, like, a really, you know, incredible story, like a near-death experience.

And, like, there’s so many invisible strings to her story, which is something that we’ve also kind of discussed on this podcast, too. And she described an illuminated life as being a part of an orchestra, which I really loved.

Like, we do our part, and then we all know that it adds up to something bigger. And you know it when you feel it. Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Yeah. Sarah Lewis is, she’s a force of light. She wrote an incredible book called The Rise, Among Many Other Things.

She’s a professor at Harvard, and she did, she experienced her own kind of moment of near death, if you will, in a car accident where she had this flash image and saw things very similar to the way that I do.

Like my first book, The Light Between Us, is about how I literally see cords of light connecting us all, connecting us to our teams of light on the other side. It’s like superimposed and it’s there. And when she had that moment, she saw that.

It was revealed to her, like this connection of light through Between Us All is really fascinating, right? How interconnected we all are and how much part of each other’s journeys we are in ways that sometimes are revealed to us and sometimes not.

But there’s magic all around us on a daily basis.

Yeah.

And I think that was her Chapter 2, where she’s talking about, you know, an illuminated life also being like a creative life or a creative life being in an illuminated life or, and I’m gonna get this wrong, but I mean, you know, it’s not that we all

have to be painters or musicians, but just that giving yourself like the time and space to just exist, like will spark creativity. Like we are kind of all naturally creative, even the people who swear that they aren’t.

Yes, 100%. And you know, what I’ve been shown by the other side, too, is that that is being super close to God. God is this force of creation, right?

So whenever we open ourselves to be creative or create, whether we’re singing or drawing, and we don’t have to be good at it, it’s just the act of doing that brings us closer to God and to each other. And yeah, you got it absolutely right.

Sarah does talk about a lot about that. And that’s in her book, The Rise, too, about like the role of creativity in our lives being so important.

And I think, you know, here in America, as a former high school English teacher, I will tell you this, English was mandated, math was mandated, Phys Ed was mandated, you know it wasn’t? Art and music, not mandated.

First things to cut out of the budget, by the way.

And yet, societies that thrive, and like when humanity rises, is Renaissance times where art is valued, creativity is valued. Imagine how incredible this world would be if we all started valuing our creativity differently. Be phenomenal.

Yeah, I think that’s what I really loved about the book too, is it’s not just about, you know, the other side or what came before us or what is around us, like it really is about what is here now too.

So, you know, the need that we all have for connection or as you put it, to remember that we are all connected, which is very hard to do in America.

Very individualistic society, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, like, why should I pay to pave a road I’ve never driven on?

Just like this really, really, you know, individualistic mindset and how important it is to feel connected to like the earth, to nature. It’s like the rhythms of the world around us too.

And again, those are things that I, when I feel like the most dysregulated, the least hopeful are when I am disconnected, like disconnected from like myself, from the world around me. Like we really, really do need that.

Yeah, I think sometimes quite often we get the wrong messaging, right? We’re taught that power, true power, like power is having power over other people. And that’s not what true power is.

True power is helping other people rise, right? We’re taught that success is about money and having more than other people. To me, that’s not what the other side tells me about success.

It’s about like helping everybody have enough and like not coming from this dearth mindset where there’s only set amount and you’re not going to have it.

You know, like that game of musical chairs that used to play when you’re a little, oh, there’s not enough chairs, push people out of the way. Like having a different mindset, like together we’ll create enough. There’s an abundance, we’re fine.

Like let me help my fellow person out or let me help pave the road so that this person doesn’t get in a car accident later because I value their safety as much as mine.

I think it’s a much more collective, collaborative, spiritual, knowing that we have deep inside of us when we’re living a guided and illuminated life than when we’re disconnected from that part of ourselves and thinking only in terms of like our own

I just thought of this, but have you watched Marvel movies at all in the past, like five, six, seven, ten years?

Definitely in the last like seven to ten.

And yeah, I love them.

Okay.

They make me excited. I’m like, they’re working together.

Yes, they’re all working together. And all these movies are talking about everything that you’re talking about. Everything in the Marvel universe right now is-

Look at Narnia’s, I really watched them.

They’re all especially-

I think that was like five years ago, but I loved it.

Oh, yeah.

It was like the rings and people disappeared.

Yes, yes.

I didn’t see that one. I remember that was a point of contention of my marriage because our youngest was like three. I was like, he watched what?

I think he slept through most of it. I was like, okay, that’s what happens when you have big kids and little kids is you’re like, oh, yeah, now we don’t have any rules. Now you’re watching The Godfather on Easter.

That makes sense. You’re seven. But you know what?

A lot of good messages in that movie too. But the Marvel Universe right now is all about the multiverse and these connections to versions of ourselves or our dead loved ones, things that might have been.

And I think that that is something that, you know, culture like reflects our beliefs and also our beliefs like kind of create culture. It’s like a very cyclical thing.

But there’s a part of your book where you talk about like, you know, our understandings of time, and there’s one that is presentism and then there’s one that is something else.

Well, that we think of time here is like linear.

Yes, yes.

Everything is really happening all at the same time.

Yeah.

And there’s interconnectivity with that. I think we’re starting to get glimpses of that too. And I think quantum physics is certainly exploring that, right?

The theory of retrocausal action, which is that we know, and I’m just going to like minimize this. And anybody who wants to do a deep dive, please go do it. But we know like the past affects the future.

But quantum physicists have proven by watching how light goes through us, whether as a wave or a beam, right? They have proven that the future affects the past. It might be by a millisecond, but it exists.

And so it’s already blown to smithereens, our understanding of linear time here, right? So there’s so much to think about, for sure.

Yeah.

And it’s so, anyways, those movies are very soothing to me because I think it’s, I don’t know, I think there’s something like soothing on a soul level of just imagining like, oh, like there are other universes like right here alongside of us where

everything is different, right? Or I did-

Did you read that book, The Midnight Library by Matt Hague?

I haven’t and I finally bought it. I finally bought it.

You have to read that right now. And anybody listening is such a great book because it kind of, it follows that theory that there are different, and it’s just so beautiful. And he’s such a beautiful writer, too.

I think I might be the only person in America who hasn’t read it.

This is your sign. That is my sign.

Anybody listening to read that book, The Midnight Library, it’s phenomenal.

I’m going to, also, because I need a different sort of cozy book to read.

You’re not going to want to put it down.

Yeah, and that’s the kind of book I like to sit down and just read a book back to back. That’s what I want to do, especially on a plane. I’m like, I’m not going to work.

I want to read a book on this plane, okay? That’s what this time is here for.

Quiet, sacred space where you can hold that out and do that, yeah.

Yeah, I’m like, I don’t want Wi-Fi on this plane. I don’t. Oh, no, it’s broken.

It’s broken again. So, I wanted to talk to you about a story in the book about your daughter and her friend. Your daughter loses a very, very close friend, loses a friend to suicide.

I think parenting, regardless of where you are in your life, is always a challenging experience, but I think more so when you have to watch your kids go through something really, really difficult.

You mentioned yourself, like, there are moments where, like, you want to fix things that are unfixable, and this is one of those unfixable things.

And I’m wondering, with your insights, with your gifts, with your body of knowledge, how you balance all of that, all that you know, all that you can access, all that you’ve experienced with these unfixable realities for, you know, your children and

I think it’s the same knowing that I have every day that I wake up, which is that I am not meeting any of these challenges alone, that I have a team of light I can call upon to step in and help and guide, and that my children have their own teams of

light as well. I think it’s teaching that ideology, getting them to understand that, trust it and know it, so that they can use that as a tool to be carried through their darkest times.

And that is a gift that I want, not just for my own children who I love unconditionally, but for everybody listening, everybody. You know, whenever I read for somebody, I just end up with this unconditional love for them.

I think that I have such love for everyone. And I’ve seen how it can help act as a torch, as a guiding light, through the darkest of times for those that I love, for my kids, for myself. And it’s something that’s available to all of us.

It can really make a profound difference on a grief journey.

Yeah, it was a really powerful chapter because, you know, moms especially, I think, like, we want to be able to fix something.

And I really admired the way that you approached it with your daughter and said, you know, when you got, like, that really unmistakable, like, sign, that pull, the way that you approached her and you were like, can I tell you something, right?

Like, can I, like, and I think that’s such a, it was just a really powerful example for me because I do struggle with, you know, letting my kids have their own experiences and, like, make their own mistakes and not being like, look, I already know, I

already know this. Like, it’s just really, it’s really difficult. And I think it’s the, that story is also important because it’s like, it was a reminder that, you know, your mom doesn’t need to be Laura Lynne Jackson, right?

Like, we can do that for each other. That was something I really enjoyed about the book is, like, you can be somebody’s spark. You can be, you can be, be a point of light for somebody else.

And, okay, so I have two questions that are not about Marvel.

And one is, and I think this Sarah Lewis said this herself, which is, you know, having that near-death experience or having that trauma, like, opened up that awareness for her, but it’s certainly not a prerequisite, even though I think those are the

moments, you know, the moments where the veil is thin, the moments where, you know, our own reality feels like very shaky, where it just feels like maybe we’re more open to it or maybe we don’t have a choice, but to be more open to these

Yeah, we don’t need to be cracked wide open in that way.

And I think that plays out in two ways, right? And I think what she’s saying is, like, in an emotional spiritual way, we don’t have to have these near-death experiences or these sudden, like, traumas in order to open our ideology to this mindset.

And I think it also follows, like, a lot of people who become very psychic or intuitive or clairvoyant or mediums, it will happen because there’s literally brain trauma that happens to them.

A ladder falls on their head, like, you know, there was this man who was, like, like, went to a bar, ended up falling down, woke up, like, as a mathematical genius. Like, profound stuff has happened, right?

But I don’t think also we need to have necessarily head trauma to rewire our brain web activity to go back into those kind of neural pathways, to go back into that connective state with the other side, with seeing the unseen.

We can choose to do that, you know, we can choose to practice and begin to do that.

So I think it goes in both ways, both in like the emotional, spiritual sense of do we, we don’t have to have these really profound traumatic experiences to do that deep soul searching and reconnect, nor do we need to physically have like trauma to

reconnect, you know, how we perceive the world around us as well. I think it’s a choice we can make and how beautiful to come to it on our own accord without it, you know, being thrown at us.

Yeah, yeah. I guess I’m going to wrap this up by asking for just like a few little tips for our listeners on how they could live a more guided and illuminated life, like starting now. Yeah.

So just to kind of build on what you were just saying, too, I think holding space for people who are struggling in our lives and just seeing them, letting them know they’re seen and not alone and reminding them of the light of their own being can be

really powerful. But for everybody listening, I think that my books go in a certain order that kind of also answer this question. So The Light Between Us was really about me coming into my own abilities.

What I learned is a truth for us all and then the beautiful lessons I learned about, like why we’re here on Earth school together, right?

Science was like enough about me, this is about you, you can access this language, here’s how to create it, here’s what has already been coming to you maybe without you knowing, how to interpret it and here are stories of people who did that and like

the magical knowing that they had. Guided takes it a step further and Guided says, okay, we know it’s a truth, we trust in it, we know we have this language created and we can receive this.

How can we use that as a tool to become the best versions of ourselves here on Earth, not just for our own being, right? But to help others on their journeys as well.

So I think that first of all, trusting, everybody who’s listening should trust that you have all these abilities, I call them the four clairs, is like the psychic toolbox we all come here with. Clairvoyant, which means clear seeing.

It’s when we sleep at night and dream and our physical eyes are closed, but we’re vividly seeing. That’s our spiritual sight. When we leave our physical bodies, we take that with us.

We can see everywhere and in different spectrums of color too. Then there’s clairaudience, which means clear hearing.

This is stuff I would just like everybody to pay a little more attention to because it’s probably been happening to you and you’ve dismissed it. But clairaudience means you hear a thought come to you, not from you. It never comes with panic.

People say, how can I tell the difference between my anxiety or what’s coming from the monkey mind, the frontal lobe that chatters versus guidance from the other side? The thing is clairaudience thoughts will arrive to you with no emotion attached.

It could be this knowing, this thought that you hear like, oh, I’m going to win $10,000 on a scratch-off tomorrow. It will come with no elation. It will just come like, poof, and then you might react.

Or it might be like, oh, I’m going to be getting a flat tire tomorrow afternoon, and it will come with no emotion, but then you might be like, oh, no, I’m going to get a flat tire. But maybe you prepare for it then, right? So that’s clairaudience.

And then there’s claircognizance, which means clairknowing. It’s when you just get this sudden download and every ounce of your being where you just know something, there’s no logical way you could know it.

And by the way, if you are known by friends and family members as giving really good advice, guess what? You’re probably super claircognizant.

Because what you’re doing without even realizing it is you’re reading the energy, you’re getting these downloads for them, but then just saying it like, oh, here’s what I think you should do.

And then the fourth clair is claircentience, which means clairfeeling. And it’s about how we feel unseen energy around us at all times.

And here’s an example, like when you meet somebody for the first time, you meet them in the 3D, but you also meet their energy. So if you have spot-on first impressions, like you’re really tuned in to your claircentience.

If there are places you like to go because you like the energy there, you’re picking up on the energy of places, you know? It’s the fact that there’s unseen energy streams all around us.

And pay attention to it, because sometimes we’ll meet people and we’ll be like, hmm, not my cup of tea. It’s not like judgment, it’s just like, trust that.

Sometimes it’ll just feel neutral, probably not meant to have like that bigger role in each other’s lives, but every now and then you’ll meet somebody that you’re like, my soul knows your soul, like, I know we just met, but I know you, you know,

like, there’s soul recognition. And I think that there are teams of light here on the ground, right? People here who are like undercover angels, or maybe part of your soul mission is the same as my soul mission.

And we’ve never met, but when we do, we’re like, I recognize your light, or we’re on the same team, you know, it’s like recognizing we’re wearing the same jersey. And I think we should always honor that when we fail pulled.

So I think understanding the four Claire’s and then carving out space to kind of develop them, whether that means going to a workshop or reading a book about it, or just like keeping a journal where you’re journaling when you have these experiences.

I think creating a gratitude list is phenomenal. If you can, for the next 21 days, when you wake up, just list one thing you’re grateful for.

You’re going to reprogram your energy, your mindset into one of the highest vibrations there is, which is gratitude, and you’re going to shift your whole day. Just list one thing. Why 21 days?

Scientists have studied this, and they say when you do something for 21 consecutive days, it becomes a habit. So guess what? If you do it for 20 days and forget day 21, you got to start over.

Start over.

I love that.

You’re doing that, right?

And I think asking your team of light for science is really important because the fact of the matter is we are here in this materialistic paradigm of a world, and it’s really helpful to get tangible proof of the other side’s existence.

This is why I say, like, nobody should believe me just because I’ve had these experiences. Go out and test them yourself. It works, and it works in phenomenal ways.

And I always say, ask for a creature but make it a little different. So don’t just ask for, like, an elephant. Ask for a purple elephant.

Ask for a number sequence. It could be something that’s important to you already or something that pops in your mind. Ask for a song.

You know, if you get the song or you hear the lyrics, and also ask for a phrase. Could be love you more, to the moon and back, whatever it might be.

Because now you’ve created four ways that your team of light can talk to you, and you can direct it to your whole team of light, or you could ask one specific person, like your dad on the other side, you send me an orange, and then you can ask your

grandmother to send you a pink dolphin. You can design different people different things. It becomes like this really beautiful, magical, spiritual scavenger hunt, but you realize you’re being guided all along. I think that’s really powerful.

Then once you’ve established that trust in that language, it’s knowing that you are here as a vehicle of love in the world. God, the universe, is using you for a very powerful and beautiful reason that you might not see all the time.

Sometimes it might get dark, and sometimes it might feel boring, and then sometimes it might feel so just in the flow of light and beautiful. But in all those moments, you are important, and you are not alone, and you are connected.

Calling upon this team of light for guidance throughout every step of the way, I think is a beautiful act we can do. Honoring your creative side, carving out space to be creative or dive into art.

And if you’re not feeling like creating it, maybe bringing an art into your world, taking a walk in nature can be incredibly powerful.

We all are connected to nature, and when we go out there, we can start feeling that more and being guided by that more.

And I think too, if any of us can create time for meditation, and I think people get very overwhelmed by that term, like, what does that mean? Do I have to meditate for an hour?

No, meditation could be very simple of you closing your eyes, picturing, like, a beautiful, like, white sparkling lake of energy above you, breathing in slowly through your nose, fully, and out through your mouth fully three times, and that’s it.

Yeah.

See if anything comes to you when you do that. Quick, simple breathing exercise can be a meditation.

So I think honoring the light within, honoring our spiritual selves is the way to find that illuminated path and be in a state of guidance at all times.

Also, I just need to let everybody know, once we stopped recording, Laura Lynne Jackson told me that I will be writing another book, told me what it is, and I have shivers down my spine. That’s all I’m going to say. That’s all I’m going to say.

That was Laura Lynne Jackson, a woman who I adore. Her book is called Guided. I’ve read her other books too.

This is the new one, let’s see if it’ll go and focus there. Guided, The Secret Path to An Illuminated Life.

What I hope everybody takes away from this is not just that we have the capacity for being guided, that there is something bigger than us, whatever you want to believe in, but that we can also be guides for one another, that we can illuminate a path

for one another, that we are all connected, and we need that reminder. I know I need that reminder, and I need to be reminded that my life matters, the things that we do matter in ways that we might not even see in our lifetime.

So if you are going through a hard time right now, I want you to keep that in mind. If you are a Substack subscriber, we have a copy of this book to give away. Go ahead and leave a comment on this episode over on our Substack.

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