Signs from the Other Side

I believe that our people never truly leave us. They stay with us. They live in us, always. If you need a sign that you’re not alone, let this – this episode – be it.

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Since the death of my husband, Aaron, and the death of my father, I have had a lot of experiences where it feels like the veil between this world and whatever comes next is very thin. Times when it feels like my husband Aaron specifically is here.

Not like here, here, but is giving me a sign from the other side. I have had experiences with mediums, mediums that I never intended to meet with, mediums who have had a very specific message from the other side.

The most, I think, profound happened when I went to an event at a Burbank, California, airport Marriott with a few friends. I didn’t really pay attention to the thing that I was signing up for. My friend Amanda invited me.

I said, I love Amanda. I’ll go to this. I was attending an event with renowned medium, Laura Lynn Jackson.

I was in a room with at least 100, maybe 200 other people who had come to see her do her thing, which is to commune with people who are on the other side and deliver messages from them. I did not know that when I attended that event.

I certainly did not think that out of all the people in attendance that day, that my person, my dead person, my husband Aaron would come through loud and clear and tell Laura Lynn Jackson and therefore myself, things that only he could know.

It was, I wrote about it. I wrote about it in a post on my Substack called Hello from the Other Side. I’ll link it in the description here, but it was truly life-changing.

There were things also that happened around that same evening. That also felt so otherworldly and so worldly. Coincidences that just cannot be a coincidence.

Why were the people sitting right behind me, complete strangers, related to a friend of mine who lives in New York City, Chase, I’m talking about you, Chase. How would that even come up? How did it come up?

It was true that Chase’s family was sitting right behind me and the next day, my best friend Caroline’s, best friend from high school, was having brunch with Chase, and I had not even told him about what had happened the night before, but that came

up in conversation. Who was I staying with at the time that this all happened? I was staying with Caroline in Los Angeles.

I left Caroline’s house, I went to go get coffee, I walked into the coffee shop, a song, and a very obscure song, that was playing the night of my first date with Erin, was playing in that coffee shop. Like, truly just, whoo, whoo.

What I learned from Laura Lynn Jackson that night, and from reading her book Signs, is that, is that the people that we love, and I believe this, and if you don’t believe this, that’s fine.

That is fine, we’re all allowed to have our own beliefs, like just try not to like crap on mine, but that the people that we love are still around us, they’re still trying to reach out to us, they’re still trying to show us how much they care about

us, and they are sending us signs. We can ask for them, we can look for them. There are still ways to feel so deeply connected to somebody, even if they are not on this earth with us anymore.

So recently, I was in this very room, I was sending a voice memo to my mom on my phone, telling her I was about to go have lunch with Erin’s mom. I hang up on the voice memo, I end the voice memo, I’m sitting way over there.

My headphones are connected to my phone, and only my phone at the time. And I sit down, I’m doing my makeup, and I hear a song playing. And this song is not a song that I ever listened to, it truly makes me, it makes me too sad.

Because it would be a sad song anyways, but it’s double sad because when Erin and I were not yet dating, but like flirting online, flirting on Twitter, it was a very similar time, Twitter was a different place.

I had asked people like, what are your sad songs that you cry to?

Because I’m making a sad song playlist that I can cry to all winter, and I’m going to call it the seasonal effective playlist because it’s about to be winter in Minnesota, we’re not going to see the sun for quite a long time.

And he sent me this song and I added it. I remember listening to it being like, it is so sad. Man, oh man, it’s good.

I can definitely cry to this. I don’t listen to that song anymore. That’s the song that was playing in my headphones.

I could not figure out the music app was not open on my phone. What is going on? I’m quitting out of everything.

Is there like a random window that I opened that I forgot about? You know, sometimes music just starts playing. You didn’t even know you had YouTube open.

Like it’s, I just could not figure it out. I stand up, I walk over to my computer, which is sitting right here. Somehow the music app is open.

I don’t listen to the music app on my computer. That is not something that I do. The music app is open and that song is playing here on my computer.

And it just felt like Erin was saying, hey, hi, I’m here. And again, if you don’t believe this, that’s fine. But it felt so real, and I think it is real.

I believe that the people we love truly never leave us, which before my dad died, my very Catholic dad who was not into all the stuff that I’m into, he said that. He said that to me. He said, we never really leave one another.

And maybe this is what he meant. Maybe he was talking about the fact that there is something that remains, that even though we physically are no longer here, that connection, that love doesn’t go anywhere and is still so strong.

And when we feel it, when we feel the strength of that connection, that is the evidence. That’s the evidence. Those are the signs that they were real, that this love is still real.

And that’s what today’s episode is about. Today’s episode, we have calls, we have texts, we have voice memos from the other side. So if you need a sign, if you are waiting for a sign, this is it.

This is it.

The love is still there.

The people are still there. Let’s get into it. That’s my current husband.

Just standing up silently from the couch, Creepin out
Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, it’s you.

Hello. Hi, hi, hi. Okay, I need to hear it
Yeah, I gotta know the story. I gotta know the story. Tell me what’s happening from the other side, Rachel.

Sure, okay, so just go right into it.

I’m on the edge of my seat.

Yeah.

Okay, okay. So, just a little bit of background. My mom was really, we were really close.

And towards the end of her life, she came to live with us. And she was mostly autonomous, but then very quickly it became that she needed round the clock care. So that was fine for about 18 months or so.

And then she seemed to be making some sort of recovery, but ultimately had a massive heart attack and passed away. Yeah. So you know how it goes.

But now I’m in the club. I’m in the dead mom club. So, but a couple of years-

Membership is so expensive.

I know, right?

Like, after a couple of years after that, we were gonna move. And so we were going through mom’s stuff. And, you know, some stuff was going to Goodwill, some stuff was going to trash, some stuff was coming to the new house.

And just one thing that ended up in the car was this battery-operated alarm clock that I didn’t want to throw away, and I didn’t want to give away for whatever reason. So I just left it in the console of the car. And so Brianna and I-

Brianna’s my wife. And we were on a road trip a couple years after that. And we were listening to a podcast, as we do.

And it was a spooky podcast. And so we kind of just had this moment that we were thinking about mom and how she kind of does her thing. And so I turned it off, and I just turned the power to the radio off.

And we talked about it or whatever and went back. And then when I turned it back on in mid-conversation, one of the hosts was saying to the other, oh yeah, it was your mom. It was your mom.

And so Brianna and I were looking at each other like, oh, that’s super weird. And then immediately this beeping starts happening. And we’re like, what is that?

And come to find out it is this battery-operated alarm clock that has never gone off before and never gone off since. And it was just a moment of affirmation and validation for me.

Yeah.

Also, I mean, like, batteries don’t last that long, right? Right?

I mean, that’s my thing, too, is I’m like, this thing’s just been hanging out waiting to go off, you know?

Yes. In a car console, so it’s been through cold, it’s been through hot. Like, I’ve seen batteries corrode under less stressful conditions than being left in a car console.

Exactly.

That’s the same way that, and we were just, it was all so like, like boom, boom, boom, you know, like, oh, let’s chat about this thing that reminds us of mom. Oh, it’s your mom, it’s your mom. Sure, that’s enough validation.

And then this random alarm clock going off, like it was, it was, it was, it was a really great moment that was also kind of, you know, spooky.

I love it. I love it too, because there are certain things that you keep for reasons like you can’t quite explain to yourself, right?

Like, why do I have in this closet here, a vacuum that is, I mean, first of all, vacuums used to last like 30, 40 years, right? Like my mom had like this old vacuum that was like, you were afraid of it because it could suck you up as a child.

You knew the power of this vacuum.

They’re not supposed to be single use, which is what vacuums are now. But I have a vacuum, it does not work. I mean, I could go take it to be serviced.

I never have, but Aaron bought it before I even met him, which means this vacuum is like going on 20 years old. It like barely, it’s like, it’s just making vacuum sounds. It’s not actually pulling anything up.

Why did they keep it? I don’t know. I just can’t let go of it.

That alarm clock is like that, right? You’re like, it’s a battery powered alarm clock. It’s not an heirloom.

You’re not like, why I have to make sure this is, but you just can’t let it go for some reason.

Yeah, it’s literal trash. I mean, you know, I don’t, yeah, you’re exactly right. I don’t know.

And it’s going off at a time, you know, it’s not like you’re road tripping at like 7 a.m.

Right, right.

It was just the middle of the afternoon. You know, it was wild.

It was wild.

It was everything I needed.

That is, I love that. I love that. How else does your mom, like, are there certain signs that you know to look for from your mom or certain moments where you and your wife are like, okay, that’s mom?

Yeah.

Oh, 100%. Like, sometimes we’ll say things, and it’s weird because Brianna will say it more like, things will just fly out of her mouth, and I’m like, that was my mom.

But one other thing that happened is we had a couple of friends over and we keep her ashes on an altar that we also keep the record player next to.

And this person that we had just met them, there was a friend of ours, his brother, and he was super sweet, but he’s very like in tune, you know? And so we’re all just laying there on the floor, just chilling.

And we had just had a conversation and it was kind of a lull. And we just hear this music quietly playing, and the record player had come on. But you know how with a record player, if it’s not hooked up to a speaker, it’s just the literal weird.

Yes. So that was one thing that I was like, see, you’ve been in here messing with some stuff. Like it’s just she shows up in Cardinals.

I know that’s a lot of people’s sign and signal. But yeah, she does all kinds of stuff. There’ll be money in places.

Like when I worry about money, there’ll be, I found a random $100 bill in the middle of a parking lot folded up. Like it’s just stuff like that, that I just, I can’t let go of. I know that it’s her.

And I know that she’s always wanted, she’s always wanted to give me what I needed. And she’s always also been kind of edgy. Like, listen, if you deserve it, I’m gonna give it to you.

But you know what I mean? Like she doesn’t, she wasn’t just like that generous, you know, like with her emotions or with like actual physical things. So I’m like, when I get things, I’m like, I see you, mom, I hear you now.

Yeah, so when the alarm goes off, you know.

Yeah, exactly.

You’re like, that’s really, yeah, she’s not just showing up, she’s showing up, she’s showing up for a reason.

And she’s not spending it all in one place. Rachel, this is beautiful. Thank you so much.

Like this really made my day. And I’m so like, I feel so good having heard this story. So thank you for sharing this with us, truly.

Like what a gift. What a gift. Thank you, mom.

Thank you so much for having the space to listen and for giving us all a place to just chat with you.

Hi, Nora, my name is Rachel.

My dad died almost two years ago to the date. I have several sign stories, but one in particular feels similar to the story you shared recently about your husband, Aaron, saying, hey, I think I’ll send it as a voice memo, hold on.

Hi, Nora, this is Rachel. I live in the Midwest, if you can’t tell, from my beautiful actor. But my dad owned a liquor store, how very Wisconsin of us, and I worked for him for a very long time.

And he was a collector of coins. And he specifically liked finding, I don’t know, buffalo nickels and wheat back pennies. Wheat back pennies are the ones that every time I saw one come through the till, I would pull it aside and put it on his desk.

When he died almost two years ago to the day, May 25th, 2023, it was really tough. And I had asked him before we sent him in to get cremated, like, hey, can you, like, send me a sign?

And a couple of months later, when we were back home, I was having a really, really tough time missing him. And my husband and I were out on a date, and I was, like, crying in public, which I hate.

And he paid for our bill in cash, and we got the change back. And one of the pennies was a week back penny. That was the first one that my dad sent me.

And then I didn’t get one for a while. And then I would say maybe a year after that, I was having just, like, another day where grief has been really hard. You know, grief is really fucking hard.

And we went to one of his favorite stores with this farm en suite. This is so Midwest. And we get to the checkout, and we do a self-checkout.

And I realized that my daughter had given me some, like, cocoa packets, and I hadn’t paid for them. And so we paid with the rest of our stuff on a card, and then I decided to pay in cash.

And when you know it, we get the change, and we’re missing a penny. And then it spits out on its own. The date of the penny is 1954, which is my father’s birth year, and it is a week back penny.

So I cried in public again, because like, hey, dad. And then most recently, apparently crying in public is my thing now. Most recently, I would say, God, at the end of last year, maybe early this year, my husband and I were out again.

Our daughter was at a theater camp, and so we went out for breakfast, and we were talking about my dad, and I was kind of cheering up, and I was telling my husband I hadn’t had any signs from him late for me, and it’s been kind of hard at work, and

it’s just been hard in general. And my husband said, he’s so great, he was just listening, and then I stepped my coffee cup down, and he said, I want to show you something, and on the bottom of my coffee cup was the word dad.

And he’s like, didn’t you notice that? I said, no, absolutely not.

And so we went up to the counter to pay for our bill, and I was just like, I saw that stupid little penny tray, and I thumbed through it, and I flipped the top one over, and it was a wheat bath penny.

And we went back to this restaurant recently with my mom, and the coffee mugs do not say dad on them. So I don’t know if they switched their coffee mugs over. We’ve never seen that style of coffee mug again.

So, yeah, I believe in them too.

That’s so beautiful. That’s so real. That’s so real.

You don’t see wheat bath pennies. You don’t see wheat bath pennies. And also another Laura Lynn Jackson thing, electronics and change.

There’s something about the metal. There’s something about the electricity. These are ways that people show up for us, a piece of metal, coins and electronics.

Perhaps a beeping alarm clock, perhaps a fart machine, perhaps wheat bath pennies. The mug that says dad, that is simply next level. Your dad is certainly very, very advanced.

But we got more signs. We got more signs, more ways that people have said hello from the other side. A few months after my grandfather died, I had a dream, and in that dream, I was dreaming.

In my second layer dream, my papa told me to tell my grammy that he had a gift for her. I woke up from my second layer dream into my first layer dream, and I think I was crying, but I told her and she cried too.

Then I woke up into real life and I was so freaked out because I think I knew it was a real sign, and also I think it was my first dream about him since he passed. I called my mom to tell her and she reminded me it was their anniversary that day.

My grandmother died in January. I’d spent the evening before with her, and then gone home and received a text the next day that she had died. Twenty minutes later, I learned my book had been acquired by a publisher.

I think it’s easy to say that it’s coincidence, but my grandma and I had always bonded over books and writing. I sometimes come across her Goodreads reviews, which is one of my favorite things. I feel like she pulled a few strings for me.

I think also we, it’s so interesting that like we leave so much of ourselves behind on the internet. Like your grandma’s Goodreads reviews are going to cross your path. Other people are reading your grandma’s Goodreads reviews and they don’t know.

They don’t know that she’s dead. They just think this is a reader who cared enough to leave a review for me to read. And I wonder what other pieces her are out there that you’ve interacted with and not known too.

But yeah, grandma got you published and thank you, grandma, for that. I believe in signs and I get them from my dad frequently. He died from glioblastoma on March 5th, 2017.

He sends me snow. We both love winter so it fits. It snowed on the first anniversary of his death.

It snowed on my wedding day, October 20th. It snowed the night my oldest son was born, March 10th. And it snowed on my youngest son’s due date, March 25th.

My mom died 15 years ago. Four years ago, right before Mother’s Day weekend, I was working and my laptop suddenly shut down. I was, of course, terrified that it was dead.

No pun intended. But when it sprang back to life, it immediately started playing This Woman’s Work by Kate Bush, which is a song about motherhood. And that I definitely was not playing before it shut down.

There’s a line in it that says, all the things we should have said that we never said, all the things we should have done that we never did. That makes me miss my mom so goddamn much.

And even though she was much more of a yanny head than a Kate Bush devotee, I swear to God, it was her reaching out to say, hey, I love you. I know this weekend’s gonna suck because it always does now, but I’m here.

I went to a grief counselor a few months after my mom died. She suggested I journal and talk about my mom. She gave an example of a subject, her favorite music.

I said, it’s the Doobie Brothers, but I have to really think about which song of theirs was her favorite.

I got in the car afterwards, I did not have the radio on when I drove there, but when I turned the car on, the Doobie Brothers, What a Fool Believes was playing.

Hi Mom.

My boyfriend used to pick me up at the airport when I traveled. We met in a cover band we were in together.

I love this story and I already need more information, and I’m not going to get it, and that’s fine, but I do expect you to follow up because I need to know about meeting your boyfriend in a cover band.

After his death, I was heading towards the airport exit, missing him and wishing he was waiting to pick me up. Then one of our favorite songs we covered came on over the airport speaker system.

I used to think hearing a song on the radio or the grocery store was a cheap sign that sad people grasped at.

And then I thought about how music was how we met, all the live shows we went together, and the artist he introduced me to that I love to this day. So yeah, that’s my sign.

This is Fanny.

Hi, it’s Nora McInerny.

Hi, how are you?

Hi, good, good.

I wanna hear your sign from the other side.

Wonderful. You want me to start from the top?

Tell me, yes.

Yeah, so I have two boys and one of them was about three months old.

I was listening to a podcast and I can’t remember the details perfectly, but I thought that it was your podcast and I don’t know if there was a psychic or a medium that was on, that was speaking about your youngest child meeting your late husband,

Aaron, in the in-between. I was sitting on the floor. I mean, I went back, I have a video of it.

I was sitting on the floor with my child in a swing, three months old, and I thought, Oh my gosh, what peace that would be to know that my youngest got to meet one of my dear friends, Marcus, who had passed years prior.

And I looked at my three month old, who clearly has no communication skills, and I said, Do you know Marcus? And he went from crying to smiling and direct eye contact at me, and went, Ah, and then to communicate like, Oh yeah, I totally know Marcus.

I met Marcus before I was born. And the peace that that brought, and kind of the craziness of asking a three month old a question for validation.

But I believe that’s where the signs from the other side come from, when it isn’t somebody who’s lived a full life, who’s programmed to not see those things, to not ask for those things.

And my three month old was my validation that he definitely met Marcus in the in between, and something we don’t understand or know about.

And so although very simple, those signs continue to show up, and I continue to ask for that validation, that it’s not just me making it up, that it really truly is Marcus or other people showing up to say hello, to give me a hug, to tell me that

Oh, I love that.

And I agree. It’s like the veil is very thin for children, and before they can learn that the world doesn’t believe that, or learn what is rational or irrational, they’re just more open to it too. And that was an episode of this show.

Remember when I was telling you about my friend Jamie and her nephew is dying and it’s just a little tiny baby?

But you wanted to know if you’ll let go of him? You’ll take care of him in the next 12. I know you will.

He’s going to meet a good man to take care of him. And you’re the baby whisperer. His name is Brice.

We all got for our baby, too. You’re the best. You’re too great.

Yeah, that was real.

And it still feels very real to me today. How else has Marcus shown up since your three-month-old said, yeah, I did know him?

Right. I can tell you that I asked for his wife’s permission, Emily, who is a dear friend of mine, and I asked for his mother’s permission to share this story.

And on that day, something that I didn’t know years after he had passed is he would show up to his loved ones as a cardinal. And we never had cardinals around my house at all whatsoever.

And the second I found that out, the amount of cardinals that would be seen around my house, and also that my children, both of my boys, now just say, every time a cardinal is in front of our car when we’re driving to school, they just say, hi,

Marcus, as if he’s saying good morning, as if he’s saying have a great day at school, boys, as if he’s kind of giving a nod. And when I talked to Emily about if it was OK, if I shared my story, she said, I think I remember that podcast that you’re

talking about. And I think Emily referenced when Marcus was in hospice, or you referenced, Nora, when he was in hospice, and she had gone into the room, and he really introduced all of these people that he was kind of getting to know on the other

I think about that all the time.

I think about that all the time. As I feel like I remember him saying, everyone, this is Emily. Emily, this is everyone.

And her not knowing what that was, but you just kind of figure out what that is, which is exactly what you described. He had all these other connections and maintains all these other connections.

And it sounds like one of them was your son, too, which is so beautiful. It’s so beautiful. And I love that.

I’m so glad that you called to share that, truly. It’s so beautiful.

Thank you. Thank you. I am happy to share it.

And as both his mom and Emily say, these are moments that we hold on to with his 10-year death anniversary coming up, that he still is a part of us.

Yeah.

And so being able to share that and to share how he continues to show up for us or for my children or for the relationship between his daughter Neva and my son and just the sweetness that they have.

And you can see that she knows her dad has talked about as well in our family.

Yeah. Like that he’s, that love is still there. And that’s so important for a kid too.

And I think it’s also important for all of us too, because none of us are going to be here forever.

And I think it’s comforting for me as a future dead person to know, like, you know, like I’ll be able to still make people feel loved and I’ll still have those connections.

And I think on this side, sometimes I’m like, well, that’s not as good as having them here, but we don’t know. Maybe it’s even better. Maybe it’s even better.

Yeah.

And when we truly open ourselves up to it, and I think that that’s my hope in sharing this little teeny tiny glimpse is, I still have conversations with him and still giggle about things.

And when songs come on, I’ll, you know, laugh with him, but he’s not here, but he so is here because he lives with me.

Yeah.

And yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

You know what? Your sign is your sign. And a sign can be silly to some people, it can be dismissed by some people, but I think all that really matters is that it means something to us.

Because love is hard to understand, grief is hard to understand, and our love and our grief is ours alone. So look for signs. Laura Lynn Jackson said ask for signs.

And make it specific. If you are really skeptical, say like, I want to see a pink hippo. I will believe that it’s you if you send me a pink hippo.

And then keep your eyes peeled for a pink hippo, and they will send you one. I just made up pink hippo. I don’t, if anyone dead who I love is listening, I don’t want a pink hippo, okay?

Like the way you’re showing up for me. Keep it, keep it pretty obvious. I don’t want anything too obscure.

I’m, I’m, I’m open to anything, but like I like the way you’ve been showing up for me, and I’m, I believe in it already. So I don’t actually need something obscure. But if you are missing somebody that you love, I hope they send you a sign.

If not, if they haven’t yet, just ask for one. Ask for one, and I will tell Erin, I will tell my dad, I will tell every dead person I know, to tell your dead person to send you a sign. That’s it for today’s episode.

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Thanks to Marcel Malakibu for producing this episode. For Grace Berry, who does everything else, our opening theme music is by Joffrey Lamar Wilson. His band is called Lamar.

You can stream them wherever you listen to music. He’s brilliant. And our closing theme, which you are listening to right now, is by my young son Q.

We’ll see you next week.