Behind The Scammer

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We’re culturally obsessed with scammers, con artists and fraudsters. People like Elizabeth Holmes and Bernie Madoff dominate headlines and then get films made and books written documenting what they did and how they did it. But behind the scammers are the victims: individuals who are struggling to recover their sense of safety, their identity … and their money.

In July 2021, Isaiah Goodman was sentenced to 7 years in prison for defrauding clients out of more than $2.3 million dollars. He spent the money on a hot tub, a fancy house, two cars, a cruise … but it wasn’t his money.

That money belonged to — among others — Celisia Stanton and Rev. Michael Gonzales, two very real people whose lives were materially impacted by Goodman’s materialism.

About Terrible, Thanks for Asking

Terrible, Thanks for Asking is more than just a podcast (but yeah, it’s a podcast).

It’s a show that makes space for how it really feels to go through the hard things in life, and a community of people who get it.

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We’re culturally obsessed with scammers, con artists and fraudsters. People like Elizabeth Holmes and Bernie Madoff dominate headlines and then get films made and books written documenting what they did and how they did it. But behind the scammers are the victims: individuals who are struggling to recover their sense of safety, their identity … and their money.

In July 2021, Isaiah Goodman was sentenced to 7 years in prison for defrauding clients out of more than $2.3 million dollars. He spent the money on a hot tub, a fancy house, two cars, a cruise … but it wasn’t his money.

That money belonged to — among others — Celisia Stanton and Rev. Michael Gonzales, two very real people whose lives were materially impacted by Goodman’s materialism.

About Terrible, Thanks for Asking

Terrible, Thanks for Asking is more than just a podcast (but yeah, it’s a podcast).

It’s a show that makes space for how it really feels to go through the hard things in life, and a community of people who get it.

TTFA on social: TTFA on Instagram | TTFA on Facebook

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcripts may not appear in their final version and are subject to change.


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