49. No Guilty Pleasures

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If you like something- a TV show, a musician, a vacation spot- never call it a guilty pleasure! Just because someone else views it as silly should never take away from the enjoyment you get. In that spirit, today, we celebrate one of Nora’s pop culture pleasures. 

About It's Going to Be OK

If you have anxiety, depression or any sense of the world around you, you know that not *everything* is going to be okay. In fact, many things aren’t okay and never will be!

But instead of falling into the pit of despair, we’re bringing you a little OK for your day. Every weekday, we’ll bring you one okay thing to help you start, end or endure your day with the opposite of a doom scroll.

Find Nora’s weekly newsletter here! Also, check out Nora on YouTube.

Share your OK thing at 502-388-6529‬ or by emailing a note or voice memo to [email protected]. Start your message with “I’m (name) and it’s going to be okay.”

“It’s Going To Be OK” is brought to you by The Hartford. The Hartford is a leading insurance provider that connects people and technology for better employee benefits.  Learn more at www.thehartford.com/benefits.

The IGTBO team is Nora McInerny, Claire McInerny, Marcel Malekebu, Amanda Romani and Grace Barry.

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I’m Nora McInerny.

A lot of people ask me what I did when my husband died.

How did I cope? 

How did I get through those first weeks and months without him?

And the answer is obvious: I leaned on a group of women who have seen me through a lot of my life. Women I can always count on, day or not, to bring me out of any horrible mood.

Women who have been there for me at all hours of the day and night.

I’m talking about the real housewives.

New Jersey.

Beverly Hills.

Orange County – the early seasons.

I was soothed by their consistent inconsistency, and the fact that my problems were…not theirs.

I could armchair quarterback all of their conflicts, all of their issues. 

I liked getting lost in another world, where handbags cost at least four digits and nobody’s forehead has moved since 2010.

I like them like I like pop music, and rom coms and the gossip magazines you get at the grocery checkout or anything else that people have looked down on as lowbrow…anything that describes itself as a guilty pleasure.

I learned from my friend Kara that there is no such thing as a guilty pleasure if you don’t feel guilty about it. And when she said that, something clicked. Why should we have to qualify the things we enjoy, to discount their value in our lives? Yes, we all need to eat our vegetables and also…dousing them in ranch dressing is even better. Yes, I have enjoyed literature and fine poetry and I have also found poetic enjoyment in the Shakespearean drama that is Andy Cohen’s Housewives universe.

I don’t feel guilty about the pleasure those women brought me when I could barely function. I DO feel guilty about how much I drank when I was watching it…and it wasn’t even pleasurable! Another story for another time. 

You are not dumb or silly for liking what you like, whatever that is.

Lose the guilt. Keep the pleasure. 

If you like something- a TV show, a musician, a vacation spot- never call it a guilty pleasure! Just because someone else views it as silly should never take away from the enjoyment you get. In that spirit, today, we celebrate one of Nora’s pop culture pleasures. 

About It's Going to Be OK

If you have anxiety, depression or any sense of the world around you, you know that not *everything* is going to be okay. In fact, many things aren’t okay and never will be!

But instead of falling into the pit of despair, we’re bringing you a little OK for your day. Every weekday, we’ll bring you one okay thing to help you start, end or endure your day with the opposite of a doom scroll.

Find Nora’s weekly newsletter here! Also, check out Nora on YouTube.

Share your OK thing at 502-388-6529‬ or by emailing a note or voice memo to [email protected]. Start your message with “I’m (name) and it’s going to be okay.”

“It’s Going To Be OK” is brought to you by The Hartford. The Hartford is a leading insurance provider that connects people and technology for better employee benefits.  Learn more at www.thehartford.com/benefits.

The IGTBO team is Nora McInerny, Claire McInerny, Marcel Malekebu, Amanda Romani and Grace Barry.

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcripts may not appear in their final version and are subject to change.


I’m Nora McInerny.

A lot of people ask me what I did when my husband died.

How did I cope? 

How did I get through those first weeks and months without him?

And the answer is obvious: I leaned on a group of women who have seen me through a lot of my life. Women I can always count on, day or not, to bring me out of any horrible mood.

Women who have been there for me at all hours of the day and night.

I’m talking about the real housewives.

New Jersey.

Beverly Hills.

Orange County – the early seasons.

I was soothed by their consistent inconsistency, and the fact that my problems were…not theirs.

I could armchair quarterback all of their conflicts, all of their issues. 

I liked getting lost in another world, where handbags cost at least four digits and nobody’s forehead has moved since 2010.

I like them like I like pop music, and rom coms and the gossip magazines you get at the grocery checkout or anything else that people have looked down on as lowbrow…anything that describes itself as a guilty pleasure.

I learned from my friend Kara that there is no such thing as a guilty pleasure if you don’t feel guilty about it. And when she said that, something clicked. Why should we have to qualify the things we enjoy, to discount their value in our lives? Yes, we all need to eat our vegetables and also…dousing them in ranch dressing is even better. Yes, I have enjoyed literature and fine poetry and I have also found poetic enjoyment in the Shakespearean drama that is Andy Cohen’s Housewives universe.

I don’t feel guilty about the pleasure those women brought me when I could barely function. I DO feel guilty about how much I drank when I was watching it…and it wasn’t even pleasurable! Another story for another time. 

You are not dumb or silly for liking what you like, whatever that is.

Lose the guilt. Keep the pleasure. 

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